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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-13321</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Incognito, have you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/15721190/Talageri-Shrikant-G-2008-the-RigVeda-and-the-Avesta-The-Final-Evidence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read this&lt;/a&gt;? What&#039;s your opinion of this critique of Talageri?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Incognito, have you <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/15721190/Talageri-Shrikant-G-2008-the-RigVeda-and-the-Avesta-The-Final-Evidence" rel="nofollow">read this</a>? What&#8217;s your opinion of this critique of Talageri?</p>
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		<title>By: Incognito</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-13316</link>
		<dc:creator>Incognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIT is a Flat Earth theory.

In case you missed it-
http://voi.org/books/rig/

RigVeda is a book  of revelation not just in a spiritual sense, but in a hstorical sense too.

The ebook in the link given is REVOLUTIONARY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="caps">AIT </span>is a Flat Earth theory.</p>
<p>In case you missed it-<br />
<a href="http://voi.org/books/rig/" rel="nofollow">http://voi.org/books/rig/</a></p>
<p>RigVeda is a book  of revelation not just in a spiritual sense, but in a hstorical sense too.</p>
<p>The ebook in the link given is <span class="caps">REVOLUTIONARY.</span></p>
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		<title>By: Juven Bachan</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>Juven Bachan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indus Valley Civilization:  Its Reality and Maddening Prevarications of Academia.


Ever since the discovery of the IVC, the rush to Aryanize its society and culture has filled books, papers,

media forums  and other such articles and such entities has funded and encouraged historians and writers to

let loose their imaginations in order to rewrite the history of India.  The fierce debate whether the IVC is

Aryan or not has opened up emotions and a stirring of nationalistic feelings among Indians of different social

and political persuasions and has led to the rewriting of some history books.   Even though the undertaking

and exposing of the vast archaeological empire of the Indus still remains buried below the ground, opinions

and speculations still persist that further and more radical change be made to the history of India.

The proven point that the Aryans did not invade India and that horses existed in its society are two areas

juxtaposed between the migrationist theories and those who proposed an  &quot;Aryan India&quot;   Between this sliver

of Aryan and Indus woodwork, lies the heart of the matter, its linch-pin--- the horse.  Whoever can prove that

the horse existed at the Indus empire will cap a belated crowning glory and achieve at the same time a

kind of immortality in Indian history.  The playing with historical dates like pushing them back further in time

sounds like Russian roulette in order to achieve the inevitable and if such a hand can be played and the

horse can be accommodated to form Indian history as among other things, thus far are historians are willing

to go.   The claims of historians and other writers of horse remains has so far has not been proven or

recognized by some of local and international academia, even though such claims have been taken up by

readers of different sorts of books and articles.   The horse have remained evasive to not only archaeologists

who would know one when they have analyzed its bones but to those who advocate its existence at the

Indus.   The so called tentative discovery of horse bones in the cities of the Indus, is the one weakness of

those who want to weld Aryan history and Indus history together.  This, I think will fail.  The Indus civilization

does not have a mythology that speaks of the existence of horse and chariot. First of all, all peoples have

from their beginnings tales of mythology and from this, their civilizations are born, their society evolves, their

beliefs entrenched and their livelihood maintained.  Without these a people may not survive as a strong entity

such like the Greeks and the Indian civilizations. Mythology is the fountain of a people, where a kind of fairy

tale comes down to generation after generation, where images of the mythology are graven in the minds of

its citizens and from which stories of daring and derring do are told.  Greek mythology is filled with horses

such as Pegasus and Arion, so we know that the Greeks knew about horses, Helios, the Sun god and the

horses and also the Trojan horse.  Our  Hindu civilization also has a mythology of horses of the Sun, as well

as other places mentioned in the Vedas and the Swat culture is one of the first places that the horse

appeared in India.  But can that be said of the Indus civilization?  Where is the mythology of the horse and

chariot in its ancient belief system?  The belligerent screaming and writing by academia of horse bones in

the Indus does  not prove anything.  There is not a shred of evidence of a horse culture or part of a

mythologic  reference to a horse or chariot in the history of the writing of the Indus nor in its society and the

isolated claims of nationalistic writings has no foundation whatsoever.   Claims of horse presence in the

absence of a mythology in comparison with Hindu or Greek is not only a failure, but a historical greed to

fulfill nationalistic grandeur for India which would be penitently false.  I am sure Hindus would not like to

incorporate a false version of historical data in their proud history.  I personally would abhor such a travesty.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indus Valley Civilization:  Its Reality and Maddening Prevarications of Academia.</p>
<p>Ever since the discovery of the <span class="caps">IVC, </span>the rush to Aryanize its society and culture has filled books, papers,</p>
<p>media forums  and other such articles and such entities has funded and encouraged historians and writers to</p>
<p>let loose their imaginations in order to rewrite the history of India.  The fierce debate whether the <span class="caps">IVC </span>is</p>
<p>Aryan or not has opened up emotions and a stirring of nationalistic feelings among Indians of different social</p>
<p>and political persuasions and has led to the rewriting of some history books.   Even though the undertaking</p>
<p>and exposing of the vast archaeological empire of the Indus still remains buried below the ground, opinions</p>
<p>and speculations still persist that further and more radical change be made to the history of India.</p>
<p>The proven point that the Aryans did not invade India and that horses existed in its society are two areas</p>
<p>juxtaposed between the migrationist theories and those who proposed an  &#8220;Aryan India&#8221;   Between this sliver</p>
<p>of Aryan and Indus woodwork, lies the heart of the matter, its linch-pin&#8212; the horse.  Whoever can prove that</p>
<p>the horse existed at the Indus empire will cap a belated crowning glory and achieve at the same time a</p>
<p>kind of immortality in Indian history.  The playing with historical dates like pushing them back further in time</p>
<p>sounds like Russian roulette in order to achieve the inevitable and if such a hand can be played and the</p>
<p>horse can be accommodated to form Indian history as among other things, thus far are historians are willing</p>
<p>to go.   The claims of historians and other writers of horse remains has so far has not been proven or</p>
<p>recognized by some of local and international academia, even though such claims have been taken up by</p>
<p>readers of different sorts of books and articles.   The horse have remained evasive to not only archaeologists</p>
<p>who would know one when they have analyzed its bones but to those who advocate its existence at the</p>
<p>Indus.   The so called tentative discovery of horse bones in the cities of the Indus, is the one weakness of</p>
<p>those who want to weld Aryan history and Indus history together.  This, I think will fail.  The Indus civilization</p>
<p>does not have a mythology that speaks of the existence of horse and chariot. First of all, all peoples have</p>
<p>from their beginnings tales of mythology and from this, their civilizations are born, their society evolves, their</p>
<p>beliefs entrenched and their livelihood maintained.  Without these a people may not survive as a strong entity</p>
<p>such like the Greeks and the Indian civilizations. Mythology is the fountain of a people, where a kind of fairy</p>
<p>tale comes down to generation after generation, where images of the mythology are graven in the minds of</p>
<p>its citizens and from which stories of daring and derring do are told.  Greek mythology is filled with horses</p>
<p>such as Pegasus and Arion, so we know that the Greeks knew about horses, Helios, the Sun god and the</p>
<p>horses and also the Trojan horse.  Our  Hindu civilization also has a mythology of horses of the Sun, as well</p>
<p>as other places mentioned in the Vedas and the Swat culture is one of the first places that the horse</p>
<p>appeared in India.  But can that be said of the Indus civilization?  Where is the mythology of the horse and</p>
<p>chariot in its ancient belief system?  The belligerent screaming and writing by academia of horse bones in</p>
<p>the Indus does  not prove anything.  There is not a shred of evidence of a horse culture or part of a</p>
<p>mythologic  reference to a horse or chariot in the history of the writing of the Indus nor in its society and the</p>
<p>isolated claims of nationalistic writings has no foundation whatsoever.   Claims of horse presence in the</p>
<p>absence of a mythology in comparison with Hindu or Greek is not only a failure, but a historical greed to</p>
<p>fulfill nationalistic grandeur for India which would be penitently false.  I am sure Hindus would not like to</p>
<p>incorporate a false version of historical data in their proud history.  I personally would abhor such a travesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanth</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-2687</link>
		<dc:creator>Shanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ranjith Kollannur &#124; October 2, 2008 7:45 AM

Although I do not claim to be a research scholar in Aryan/Dravidian controversy I do have fairly good understanding of the issue.

The Chariot theory is completly idiotic: How could Central-Asians/Europeans come on Chariots crossing middle-eastern deserts and then through Mountainous Khyber on horse driven chariots. Chariots are best suited on Plains.
The Aryan invasion theory is based on Aswamedha yaga which is horse based ritual and Horse is not native to India so whoever did it should have come from outside of India. It is extremely flimsy.


The deeper political issues relating to Aryan myth needs to be explored to juxtapose research findings.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sabha.info/research/aif.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sabha.info/research/aif.html&lt;/a&gt;

The link above should shed some light on how Aryan myth has been politically injected into the world stage.

Moreoever I did some research on the word Aryan itself. Arya means respectable person like Sir. It is a sansrit word. In south we use Ayyah while addressing a person with similar respect. I think firstly Indians have to take a fresh look at our history and not be colored by what the West wanted us to believe.

Dwaraka is at least 5500 years old. I saw a program in Discovery and BBC that went deeply into this.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ranjith Kollannur | October 2, 2008 7:45 AM</p>
<p>Although I do not claim to be a research scholar in Aryan/Dravidian controversy I do have fairly good understanding of the issue.</p>
<p>The Chariot theory is completly idiotic: How could Central-Asians/Europeans come on Chariots crossing middle-eastern deserts and then through Mountainous Khyber on horse driven chariots. Chariots are best suited on Plains.<br />
The Aryan invasion theory is based on Aswamedha yaga which is horse based ritual and Horse is not native to India so whoever did it should have come from outside of India. It is extremely flimsy.</p>
<p>The deeper political issues relating to Aryan myth needs to be explored to juxtapose research findings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sabha.info/research/aif.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sabha.info/research/aif.html</a></p>
<p>The link above should shed some light on how Aryan myth has been politically injected into the world stage.</p>
<p>Moreoever I did some research on the word Aryan itself. Arya means respectable person like Sir. It is a sansrit word. In south we use Ayyah while addressing a person with similar respect. I think firstly Indians have to take a fresh look at our history and not be colored by what the West wanted us to believe.</p>
<p>Dwaraka is at least 5500 years old. I saw a program in Discovery and <span class="caps">BBC </span>that went deeply into this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranjith Kollannur</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-2686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranjith Kollannur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a few queries that may reveal by over dependency on wikipedia on reading history rather than on actual history books :
1) Rig Veda allegedly gives less relevance to Vishnu and no occurence of Siva (though there is a mention of Rudra which could be Siva). It instead focuses on the Deva Indra and the Asura Varuna
2) The Asura Varuna later morphs into Ahura Mazda, the main deity of the Parsi faith.
3) The Mittani worshiped both Indra and Varuna, whom they invoke in a treaty with the Hittites.
4) The chariot was said to have arrived in India during the second millenium BC. Both the Andronovo culture and the Aryans have chariot burial rituals that may suggest a common ancestry for both the culture.
5) The main deity of the Harappan culture was Siva. In fact there are no mention of other Vedic deities.
Though genetically they may be similar, but can&#039;t the Aryans be a section of the Andronovo people who migrated to India on the chariot? The reason I ask is because there seems to be a perceivable religious difference between the Aryans and the Harappans, but similarity among the Aryan and West Asian cultures.The Harappans and the Aryans may have arrived in India at different times. The incursion may have happened, most likely peacefully than by force.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few queries that may reveal by over dependency on wikipedia on reading history rather than on actual history books :<br />
1) Rig Veda allegedly gives less relevance to Vishnu and no occurence of Siva (though there is a mention of Rudra which could be Siva). It instead focuses on the Deva Indra and the Asura Varuna<br />
2) The Asura Varuna later morphs into Ahura Mazda, the main deity of the Parsi faith.<br />
3) The Mittani worshiped both Indra and Varuna, whom they invoke in a treaty with the Hittites.<br />
4) The chariot was said to have arrived in India during the second millenium <span class="caps">BC.</span> Both the Andronovo culture and the Aryans have chariot burial rituals that may suggest a common ancestry for both the culture.<br />
5) The main deity of the Harappan culture was Siva. In fact there are no mention of other Vedic deities.<br />
Though genetically they may be similar, but can&#8217;t the Aryans be a section of the Andronovo people who migrated to India on the chariot? The reason I ask is because there seems to be a perceivable religious difference between the Aryans and the Harappans, but similarity among the Aryan and West Asian cultures.The Harappans and the Aryans may have arrived in India at different times. The incursion may have happened, most likely peacefully than by force.</p>
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		<title>By: B Shantanu</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-2685</link>
		<dc:creator>B Shantanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JK: I somehow missed this article when it first came out...

Great post...

I will include it in this weekend&#039;s compilation of &quot;must-reads&quot;!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK: I somehow missed this article when it first came out&#8230;</p>
<p>Great post&#8230;</p>
<p>I will include it in this weekend&#8217;s compilation of &#8220;must-reads&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Ramakrishna U</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramakrishna U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello JK,

I have been reading your blog for some time. Very good topics and analysis.

Recently I came across the &lt;a href=&quot;http://voi.org/books/rig/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;following online book&lt;/a&gt; by Shrikant Talageri. Thought you would be interested in it.

I am yet to read it carefully, but looks like lot of deconstruction has been done in the book, in the lines of Shri Aurobindo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello <span class="caps">JK,</span></p>
<p>I have been reading your blog for some time. Very good topics and analysis.</p>
<p>Recently I came across the <a href="http://voi.org/books/rig/" rel="nofollow">following online book</a> by Shrikant Talageri. Thought you would be interested in it.</p>
<p>I am yet to read it carefully, but looks like lot of deconstruction has been done in the book, in the lines of Shri Aurobindo.</p>
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		<title>By: nisha007</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about the 1 bit MENSA chief Raj Thackeray?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about the 1 bit <span class="caps">MENSA </span>chief Raj Thackeray?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, Sri Aurobindo told about that based on his understanding of vedas etc and the similarities of roots between sanskrit and tamil. i read somewhere that he studied this after he arrived in pondicherry.
i wonder when our history books at the school level will change.

please continue writing articles on this issue.

Arun
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, Sri Aurobindo told about that based on his understanding of vedas etc and the similarities of roots between sanskrit and tamil. i read somewhere that he studied this after he arrived in pondicherry.<br />
i wonder when our history books at the school level will change.</p>
<p>please continue writing articles on this issue.</p>
<p>Arun</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/01/the_genetic_distance_between_k/comment-page-1/#comment-2681</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shweta,

My e-mail is on the About page (accessible from the home page). Please send the questionaire.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shweta,</p>
<p>My e-mail is on the About page (accessible from the home page). Please send the questionaire.</p>
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