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	<title>Comments on: Spirituality as a Business</title>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/04/spirituality_as_a_business/comment-page-1/#comment-2773</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@froginthewell, here is the comparison. past year i went for one lecture from a swami from chinmaya mission - audience count, about 200. went for another by one of the flying gurus - audience - more than 2000.

so the trend is obvious. if we banned such gurus, then it would be like adding the word socialism in the preamble of indian consitution. as time changes, people change and whatever works will survive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@froginthewell, here is the comparison. past year i went for one lecture from a swami from chinmaya mission &#8211; audience count, about 200. went for another by one of the flying gurus &#8211; audience &#8211; more than 2000.</p>
<p>so the trend is obvious. if we banned such gurus, then it would be like adding the word socialism in the preamble of indian consitution. as time changes, people change and whatever works will survive.</p>
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		<title>By: froginthewell</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/04/spirituality_as_a_business/comment-page-1/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>froginthewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying your stance in this post and the one after that. I thought you too were condemning the marketization of religion as some &quot;spiritual-but-not-religious&quot; or humanist-agnostic types do ( eg. criticizing Swaminaryan group for the grand temples ) - nice to know you weren&#039;t.

Perhaps the way to Hinduism&#039;s survival is by making it &quot;cool&quot;, and perhaps we need &quot;jet-setting&quot; gurus for that. Yes, I agree dishonesty is shady.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying your stance in this post and the one after that. I thought you too were condemning the marketization of religion as some &#8220;spiritual-but-not-religious&#8221; or humanist-agnostic types do ( eg. criticizing Swaminaryan group for the grand temples ) &#8211; nice to know you weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Perhaps the way to Hinduism&#8217;s survival is by making it &#8220;cool&#8221;, and perhaps we need &#8220;jet-setting&#8221; gurus for that. Yes, I agree dishonesty is shady.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/04/spirituality_as_a_business/comment-page-1/#comment-2771</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sandeep, Thanks so much! Looking forward to your post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sandeep, Thanks so much! Looking forward to your post.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/04/spirituality_as_a_business/comment-page-1/#comment-2770</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@froginthewell,

Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission, Sivananda Ashram, Vipassana Centers are all low key and most of their teachers don&#039;t have the profile of the jet setting gurus of the new age groups and they all have been surviving for years without this menu card system. Then they are low on marketing and do not get as much coverage as other charities.

One of the local temples here offers free yoga classes every weekend and it seems no one comes for it. The priest was saying that if he charged $30/class like YMCA or Yoga Studios, there would be a rush. The perception is that there is no value for free goods. The folks at the new age groups tell me that they charge money to make people committed and this money is used mostly for charity.

Then as you noted, they don&#039;t mention this dakshina thing at the begining and that&#039;s when it gets a bit uncomfortable for my taste.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@froginthewell,</p>
<p>Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission, Sivananda Ashram, Vipassana Centers are all low key and most of their teachers don&#8217;t have the profile of the jet setting gurus of the new age groups and they all have been surviving for years without this menu card system. Then they are low on marketing and do not get as much coverage as other charities.</p>
<p>One of the local temples here offers free yoga classes every weekend and it seems no one comes for it. The priest was saying that if he charged $30/class like <span class="caps">YMCA </span>or Yoga Studios, there would be a rush. The perception is that there is no value for free goods. The folks at the new age groups tell me that they charge money to make people committed and this money is used mostly for charity.</p>
<p>Then as you noted, they don&#8217;t mention this dakshina thing at the begining and that&#8217;s when it gets a bit uncomfortable for my taste.</p>
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		<title>By: froginthewell</title>
		<link>http://varnam.org/blog/2008/04/spirituality_as_a_business/comment-page-1/#comment-2769</link>
		<dc:creator>froginthewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ancient kind of gurukula isn&#039;t there anymore. The new &quot;business model&quot; is perhaps the only workable way at least for Hindu organizations that don&#039;t have rich patrons or Government funding. Anyone who opposes it runs the risk of contributing to destroying Hinduism.

And somehow it seems that Hindu charity doesn&#039;t get as noticed as charity from other religions eg. compare the popularity of the charities of RK Mutt and Mother Teresa within India. Perhaps this business kind of thing is the only way for Hindu charity to be recognized - when people realize that the fees they are charged are going to charity.

Unless they are keeping quiet about the dakShiNa, and then announcing an expected minimum amount &lt;i&gt;after the course&lt;/i&gt; - which is patently dishonest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ancient kind of gurukula isn&#8217;t there anymore. The new &#8220;business model&#8221; is perhaps the only workable way at least for Hindu organizations that don&#8217;t have rich patrons or Government funding. Anyone who opposes it runs the risk of contributing to destroying Hinduism.</p>
<p>And somehow it seems that Hindu charity doesn&#8217;t get as noticed as charity from other religions eg. compare the popularity of the charities of RK Mutt and Mother Teresa within India. Perhaps this business kind of thing is the only way for Hindu charity to be recognized &#8211; when people realize that the fees they are charged are going to charity.</p>
<p>Unless they are keeping quiet about the dakShiNa, and then announcing an expected minimum amount <i>after the course</i> &#8211; which is patently dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post! Just inspired me to do a &quot;serious&quot; (therefore, boring) post on the same lines.

&gt;&gt;By giving a dakshina, as per Indian tradition, we honor the guru parampara; all the masters in the org structure who made this transmission of knowledge possible.
Bang on target, but VERY well put!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post! Just inspired me to do a &#8220;serious&#8221; (therefore, boring) post on the same lines.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;By giving a dakshina, as per Indian tradition, we honor the guru parampara; all the masters in the org structure who made this transmission of knowledge possible.<br />
Bang on target, but <span class="caps">VERY </span>well put!</p>
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