John Laxmi, an American, who is a Republican, who supports free market capitalism has another article in Rediff. This time he takes a closer look at India, a country according to his words,"the nation contending to supply us with everything from call centres to computer security.".
Superficial observers like Tom Friedman of The New York Times gush about young Indian women newly 'empowered' by call centre jobs. Indian women, in jeans and eating pizzas, are supposed to make us feel good. Sure.
Tom Friedman had written five articles about India recently in the New York Times, presenting a very positive picture of India. Why does John Laxmi call him Superficial ? Maybe Tom has two Pulitzers and John does not have it ? Maybe Tom goes to Bangalore and writes his articles by talking to actual people ? Maybe that's all so superficial.
These tax subsidies from the Indian government come at the expense of the most basic governmental services critically needed by the two-thirds of India that is mired in shameful poverty, samples of which can be readily seen in the silicon gullies in Bangalore, just a few miles from the glittering offices of Infosys and Intel. In Chennai, another major Indian OutSourCity, no drinking water is available even to vast sections of the middle class.
Two thirds of India in poverty ? This is what happens when you write deeply researched articles as opposed to Tom Friedman's superficial articles. According to the World Bank
The official estimates are that poverty fell from 36 percent of the population in 1993/94 to 26 percent by the end of the decade. However, a recent work "Adjusted Poverty Estimates in 1999-2000" by Angus Deaton, 2001, suggests that poverty has fallen at a somewhat lower rate?from 36 to 29 percent of the population by 1999/2000. Either way, over one quarter of India's population is poor.
Also according to another journalist who might soon get a Pulitzer Prize, the Resident Idiot
The best or most informed estimate of the size of India's indigenous information technology sector, including hardware and domestic software, is that it accounts for less than 2 per cent of GDP. By contrast, trade and hospitality alone account for 15 per cent of GDP. Even in external sector accounts, software exports ($7.2 billion) still contribute less than remittances, mainly from poor workers in the Gulf ($8.1 billion). Even if the ITES/BPO business grows five or eight-fold over the coming five years, as optimistic projections estimate, its contribution to India's GDP will remain relatively small.
Software Industry is such a small fry and subsiding this is preventing rest of the people from getting drinking water ? What am I missing ? India still has poverty and US is a developed country. So why is it still giving three billion dollars as subsidy to cottom farmers ?
Although India has been coddling up to the West in recent years, Indians have long been inimical to Western ideas, technology, liberal principles and modernity. Allying itself with the Soviet Union, India labeled itself the leader of the so-called nonaligned movement, and habitually hectored the US at the United Nations.
We too have the same complaints. Americans know nothing about India (For example: What is the language spoken in India?), they supply arms and ammunition to a terrorist state called Pakistan, support dictatorships and preach democracy, support free market economy and pass bills that ban outsourcing.
Liberal principles ? Why is the President asking for a ban on same sex marriages if you are so liberal ?
If you dismiss all this as irrelevant baggage from India's past, the current Indian government shows no clear principles either. The leading party in India's governing NDA coalition is the Bharatiya Janata Party, which rose to power by blatantly exploiting and advocating virulent and fanatical Hindu-first sentiments. The people of India are poised to give this party a larger mandate at national elections scheduled this month.
Same to you. President Bush came to power by blatantly exploiting extreme right wing. According to John Zogby
But in George W. Bush, both movements hoped they had found a champion. President Bush has appointed prominent neo-conservatives and religious right leaders to important posts in the White House and in the Defense and Justice Departments. While the organization of the Christian Coalition is now in a state of decline, one leading religious conservative was recently quoted in an influential political magazine, saying "The organization is not so important now that we have the White House and the Congress."
And then we come to Iraq, of course.
Just last year, when the US sought international support for action against Saddam Hussein, India went AWOL, hiding behind domestic politics. The Indian parliament went so far as to pass a resolution condemning the US-led action in Iraq. Even after the fall of Saddam Hussein, the Indian government would not offer even token support to the Coalition's peace-keeping efforts in Iraq. India is much more closely aligned with the French and the Germans than you'd guess.
This may come as a surprise to you John Laxmi, But India does not jump into a well because America did so. We are not, let us say United Kingdom when it comes to issues like this. Indian Parliament, indicating the will of the people of India passed a resolution opposing American intervention in Iraq. India is a democracy and the Parliament does not report to the President of United States.
When we had an issue with terrorism coming from Pakistan, you too took AWOL behind strategic interests. See it works both ways. See, still we are letting your companies open branches in India.
First, we should demand that India must send a meaningful contingent of troops to help the coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan, meaningful in size and commensurate with the global power Indians think India is becoming.
What is the connection between outsourcing and Iraq ? What are you trying to say ? Send some Indians to die in Iraq and all is fair ? First, can you convince some of your NATO allies to send troops ? or can you convince your major non-NATO ally to send some troops ?
I think our Resident Idiot has good competition in terms of stupidity. Also now I know why no one trusts Investment Bankers.
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Comments (9)
jk, Can I copy and save this post to my hard-disk?
Posted by Alka | April 4, 2004 12:29 AM
Posted on April 4, 2004 00:29
Are you saying that token (moral) support to the Coalition?s peace-keeping efforts in Iraq is the same as "jumping into a well"?
Are you also saying that hypocrisies, inconsistencies, and shortcomings in US foreign policy are good enough reasons for India to NOT do the right thing?
(And by the way, whats the use in pointing out US hypocrisy all the time? While the US is "coddles" dictatorships, India plays cricket with them)
Posted by Vishnu | April 7, 2004 10:53 PM
Posted on April 7, 2004 22:53
Are you saying that token (moral) support to the Coalition?s peace-keeping efforts in Iraq is the same as "jumping into a well"?
That is your interpretation. This peacekeeping efforts came about because of the military intervention. This military intervention did not have the support of India. So why would India go and clean up something which it did not support in the first place ?
Are you also saying that hypocrisies, inconsistencies, and shortcomings in US foreign policy are good enough reasons for India to NOT do the right thing?
What is the right thing ? Sending Indian soldiers to die in Iraq ?
(And by the way, whats the use in pointing out US hypocrisy all the time? While the US is "coddles" dictatorships, India plays cricket with them)
True. John had pointed out Indian shortcomings. I just pointed out American hypocrisy.
Posted by JK | April 8, 2004 8:02 AM
Posted on April 8, 2004 08:02
I'm not talking about soldiers dying, etc.; that is a separate discussion; I was talking about the something more powerful than the most nuclear of arsenals: moral support. In this case, India did not give an essentially free nation (free, despite its hypocrisies, shortcomings, and inconsistencies) any moral support in ending Iraq's bloody dictatorship. This is simply and clearly shameful.
Posted by Vishnu | April 8, 2004 2:09 PM
Posted on April 8, 2004 14:09
John Laxmi is some sort of a 2nd generation, 3 rate Asian idiot who got lucky in the investment banking arena when there certainly was a shortage of smart people around.The fact that people like him teach at places like NYU really proves why corporations are ready to move jobs out of the US....because people like him are not teaching material, they're garbage and pure bulls**t and hence no one really learns anything. If this so called expert on outsourcing is what he is, he should take a look at the projects he helped finance during his banking days to some of the biggest BANANA Republics around.
I think anything he says should be as deeply discounted as the bonds of Argentina.
Posted by VR | April 9, 2004 5:33 AM
Posted on April 9, 2004 05:33
India has not given support to anyone in ending dictatorship in Pakistan nor has intervened in it. That is even when Pakistan was sending terrorists to India. So how can we justify us sending troops for someone else when we don't really send it to issues that matter directly to us.
Also there are many many bloody dictatorships all around the world. I don't think it is India's foreign policy to intervene and end all of them. On a moral level, yes all that is fine. But practically that is not going to happen. Saddam Hussein was considered a friend by India. We really did not care if he butchered or gassed his own people. That part was overlooked for other favours.
Every nation has its sets of hypocrisies in foreign policy. Neither US nor India are perfect. Ultimately it all boils down to what is in our interest and if there is popular support for it.
Destroying terrorist camps in Pakistan would have had popular support. But we did not do it. Sending troops to Iraq did not have popular support. So we did not do it.
Posted by JK | April 10, 2004 10:16 AM
Posted on April 10, 2004 10:16
Good points; US and India may be imperfect, but, as you and I know, perfection is not a prerequisite for taking a moral stand. For example, the US labeling Iran, Iraq, and N. Korea as the "Axis of Evil" was an admirable thing to do. Moral clarity has its place and importance, and though the US and India share many common values and have the legitimacy to make clear moral distinctions, the US just seems to be better at this than India.
You also say ultimately everything boils down to what is in the interests [of a nation]. For the US and India, one could only wish that was true! The existence of Saddam's dictatorship was not India's or America's long term self interest, but sadly, India didn't/couldn't see it that way.
Posted by Vishnu | April 10, 2004 11:33 PM
Posted on April 10, 2004 23:33
well JK,
I think Indians are sometimes a bit too happy about good things said about India, like in Friedman's articles, and a bit too sensitive about bad things said by Laxmi and others.
The india of call centres and pizza shops is indeed a very thin veneer, mostly held up by the outward looking english speaking crowd - like me. There is a vast india which lies beneath this veneer which is indeed very poor, though it maybe above the poverty line, which does not get clean drinking water, and is caught up in one of many struggles for existence, equality, land, dignity or whatever else. Whose primary problems are more basic than choosing which bank to take the home loan from.
Before we go about feeling all miffed about a 2nd generation ABCD, maybe it'll do some good to take a good look in the mirror.
Posted by Gautam | May 4, 2004 9:41 AM
Posted on May 4, 2004 09:41
While I do appreciate those worldly views of a vast India which does not have clean drinking water, you cannot ignore the fact that these people in this vast interior are resistant to change. I say this because I am from that vast interior myself.If our learned friend here who has these views was from the interiors he would not be making such statements. Access to clean water and basic amenities have been always provided at the grassroots level, its the population who has never made use of them, insted sticking to traditional habits and the like, hence the apathy from anyone who wants to do good to these people.
Nobody in India was foolish enough to clap and be excited at Friedman's articles, I think a good percentage of the Indian educated public knew that for every good point, there would have been countless counterpoints.
As for feeling miffed about a 2nd Gneration Asian Idiot, those are just views and as everyone knows views are like arseholes, everyone has one.
Posted by VR | May 27, 2004 12:22 AM
Posted on May 27, 2004 00:22